I have several sizes of carry pistols, and the ones I use the most are shorter barrels. Most people don’t ever ask if they make enough velocity to even get a hollow point to work. These are the answer. It checks all the boxes, velocity, massive damage, no over penetration, and carries like a feather due to its weight. By far my favorite edc. I have zero concerns with how my ammo will function in my full sizes or micros.

Very good bullets just didn’t get my second order due to you guys closing down a couple years back

I have used Civil Defense in many calibers during hunting season while walking to stands. Hogs, snakes, bobcats, etc. Only one shot to each.